two jws came to my door today and i dropped a few truths bombs on them.
i thought i'd share my account of how the conversation went.. .
i was in the yard doing some weeding when two gentlemen walked through the gate.
That was just fabulous! Well done. I've been on the work and seen brothers tied in knots by evolutionists (I just keep quiet cos it's their door) and then come away and think they've won the argument. Inside I'm laughing at them. Maybe I should ask how they think they did and what else they could have done to prolong the misery.
BTW, am I the only one who keeps glancing at this subject and thinking it says "I dropped some knickers today"?
i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.
on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.
on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).
Just to put my situation into a little bit more context, I have been mentally out for about 15 years now (used to lurk on newsgroups back in the dial-up days) Searcher - any conscience I had has been well and truly buried. I realised fairly quickly that I was comfortable in living a lie if I could get in some genuine truths/facts every now and then. To do that I need to be an elder. I can't judge how much of an effect, but if no one listens, why are they so worried about individuals reading apostate literature/web sites? My favourite approach is to use the borg against itself. If I was taking tomorrow's watchtower, in the paragraph about the generation, I would ask how you would prove that to someone. Most would look blank and forget it. Some would just repeat what the watchtower says. One or two might go away and do research and realise they cant prove it because it is nonsense.
Oubliette - I really am greatful for your concern and advice. I haven't decided yet, but it will be my decision and not the borgs. BTW, did the brother get couselled for going over time with his talk? It would be just like them to totally miss the point.
i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.
on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.
on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).
Thanks for the advice - I know that making subtle comments doesn't work. In the past I've tried to get some to at least start thinking about what they believe - I once mentioned that the 14th century fit the description of the last days (then went on to disprove it of course) and had at least one brother discuss it with interest afterwards. Although he is still at meetings, he gives evidence that he knows what is really going on. If I do take the job, I would try to gradually educate some to "prove" what they are saying, which then gets them to think. It wont work with many, but if I can help one to escape it would be worth it.
I'm not ready to exit or even fade yet as it would cause too many family problems. One elderly relative seems to have dementia and the upset could prove fatal, so I will wait until the natural course of events happens (that sounds heartless - I am just being vague to protect my identity. I will be devastated when it happens)
i think there is a good chance i'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor.
on the one hand, i'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written.
on the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits).
I think there is a good chance I'm going to be asked to be the watchtower conductor. On the one hand, I'll find it quite difficult some weeks having to go along with what is written. On the other hand, there'll be opportunities to ask controversial questions (within limits). Has anyone here taken the watchtower whilst knowing TTATT and how did you cope? Any other suggestions definitely welcome.
The (not so) pure one
against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.
he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.
i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.
Sorry - OD book is the organized to do jehovah's will book - used to be the organization book.
against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.
he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.
i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.
Excellent thread as others have stated. Anyone else think they're rushing organizational changes through so that a new OD book can be released later this year - at the Annual Meeting? If so, any other changes will have to come soon as I would imagine the lead in time for printing would need planning.
i got a call the other day, it looks like the gb is telling everyone to contact all inactive ones, let them know they are missed, etc, and to do it within a week.
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Just to say that some of us elders who know TTATT do care for inactive ones by leaving them alone to get on with their lives. I used to be secretary a while ago and would regularly "lose" record cards for inactive ones who I thought were trying to escape - amazing how quickly they are totally forgotten about.
The (not so) pure one
curious why god confused the languages back in nimrods day for all that they might accomplish working together...building "tall" buildings etc.... i mean have you seen some of the sky scrapers these days?!?
wtf?
why does't he fracture spoken language some more to stop all this fricken technology.. and now with google translate anyone can talk to anyone ;-).
Pretty obvious really Phizzy - he was talking to the early Governing Body.
The (not so) pure one
is it true that the march ministry is hinting that this year will be the last memorial, someone just said that today in the service, just wanted to confirm.. .
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edit: forgot to add the month..
Phizzy - yes, Dec 2013 KM said that the 2015 Memorial will be on Friday April 3rd 2015, so they obviously think it'll happen.
the (not so) pure one
not seen this mentioned yet - a letter was read out saying that the uk bethel is probably moving to west hanningfield near chelmsford, essex depending on all of the legal matters going through.
the letter also said not to visit the site as it would annoy nearby businesses.
no more mention yet of begging for funds.
Not seen this mentioned yet - a letter was read out saying that the UK Bethel is probably moving to West Hanningfield near Chelmsford, Essex depending on all of the legal matters going through. Anyone near there? The letter also said not to visit the site as it would annoy nearby businesses. No more mention yet of begging for funds. Sorry, of course I meant informing the brothers of the financial situation.
The (not so) pure one
